Moments when a piece of entertainment completely lost you.

Ted the Flayer · Post by **Ted the Flayer** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:26 am

If it was the author masturbating, it might gain a lot of new fans...

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:57 am

I only found and started reading it a few months ago. It's actually really difficult for me to get fed up enough to stop reading a webcomic. I only recently stopped reading Least I Could Do and Looking For Group. Though the fact that the "you see whatever is your ideal of innocence" was seen to be a rose by the undead(?) warlock, rather than, say, his young, human child self that has been shown all of once, and then never addressed again, helped a lot. That's well beyond Burlew levels of "Ima let dumb jokes get in the way of plot development." I'm still reading Gutters, by the same people, but it's likely next on my list of dropped webcomics. It does have the fact that it's a gag-a-day strip in it's favour, but the jokes are usually pretty dumb even for that.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:37 am

The only webcomic I read any more is oglaf. Seriously. I used to stay up to date on ten to twenty of them, but now, just oglaf.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:24 pm

What's Menage a 3 anyway? Sounds vaguely... erotic.

Thus I don't understand these complaints.

FrankTrollman wrote:
Prak_Anima wrote:"The Shounen Anime Guy" is basically why I've been considering stopping reading Menage a 3. I don't identify with or project on to those guys, I just want them to die a horrible, painful death.
I lost interest in Menage a 3 a long time ago. The wish-fulfillment sexual conquests of the nerdy author-insert girl were simply too over the top. I felt like I was watching the author masturbate.

-Username17

Whatever · Post by **Whatever** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:58 pm

It's one of those "not porn" webcomics that has a lot of offscreen sex and nudity, because 13 year old boys will keep reading anything if there's a chance that maybe they'll get to see a nipple (they won't). There are a ton of awful webcomics that use basically that same strategy, with varying art quality. That one happens to have decent art, but it's still not worth your time.

I used to read huge numbers of webcomics, but I cut back significantly when I realized that most of them were (or had become) really bad. Oglaf is great, but if you've never checked out What Birds Know or Hark! A Vagrant, you really should (both, like Oglaf, are made by women). I can recommend a few other decent ones if people want.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:29 pm

I still read qwantz now and then. It's not so much that I've lost interest in the comic so much that qwantz is funnier when you get to read a whole brace of them at once. Like Life in Hell or Red Meat or Tom Tomorrow cartoons.

I haven't read the Adventures of Dr. McNinja in like FOREVER. I should really start again, but, when I stopped reading about two years ago the comic was on a serious high note. And I know it sounds kind of silly, but I'm afraid that if I start reading it again it'll turn out to suck and I'll be sad.

I like a lot of Brian Clevinger comics but the most irritating thing about them is how he keeps dropping hella interesting projects to work on the next one. How I long for the continuing saga of How I Killed Your Master or Warbot in Accounting...

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:04 pm

All right, so, this is waaaaay after the controversy but what was the whole deal with Penny Arcade being a bastion of rape culture? I mean, I saw the dickwolf comic but I thought it was just typical Penny Arcade-style dead baby humor rather than being a directly hostile statement.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:35 pm

Lago PARANOIA wrote:All right, so, this is waaaaay after the controversy but what was the whole deal with Penny Arcade being a bastion of rape culture? I mean, I saw the dickwolf comic but I thought it was just typical Penny Arcade-style dead baby humor rather than being a directly hostile statement.

This has a pretty good breakdown of it.

K · Post by K » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:02 pm

Darth Rabbitt wrote:
Lago PARANOIA wrote:All right, so, this is waaaaay after the controversy but what was the whole deal with Penny Arcade being a bastion of rape culture? I mean, I saw the dickwolf comic but I thought it was just typical Penny Arcade-style dead baby humor rather than being a directly hostile statement.
This has a pretty good breakdown of it.

The sheer inanity of that timeline is proof that the internet will never produce discourse of value.

The actual timeline should read: "self-described feminists of armchair status overreact to comedic work, fans of comedians over-react in inappropriate ways, comedians embrace the controversy to sell merch, everyone loses precious minutes of their lives, controversy goes away when merch sales drop off."

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:49 pm

K wrote:
Darth Rabbitt wrote:
Lago PARANOIA wrote:All right, so, this is waaaaay after the controversy but what was the whole deal with Penny Arcade being a bastion of rape culture? I mean, I saw the dickwolf comic but I thought it was just typical Penny Arcade-style dead baby humor rather than being a directly hostile statement.
This has a pretty good breakdown of it.
The sheer inanity of that timeline is proof that the internet will never produce discourse of value.

The actual timeline should read: "self-described feminists of armchair status overreact to comedic work, fans of comedians over-react in inappropriate ways, comedians embrace the controversy to sell merch, everyone loses precious minutes of their lives, controversy goes away when merch sales drop off."

This times infinity.

My favorite part is "he looked up which song writers were previously raped in order to imply by the most extremely subtle of all jabs ever devised (playing a song by an artist that was raped, then a song about a women who is a nazi) that rape victims are nazis."

The only saving grace is that half the links are to feminist bloggers who explicitly said, "There is nothing fucking bad about the dickwolves joke you dumb shits."

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:18 pm

The thing where actual MRA-type rape apologists embraced the Dickwolves thing because it was very obviously a battle they could "win" was fairly disgusting. Not as disgusting as the guys who came out to provide "support" for actual rapists telling their stories on Reddit (because: Reddit), but that's a pretty high bar.

The PA guys very clearly should have just given a mealy mouthed apology and moved the fuck on. By fanning the pseudo-controversy to sell merch they ended up with some very creepy people on their "side".

-Username17

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:40 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:The thing where actual MRA-type rape apologists embraced the Dickwolves thing because it was very obviously a battle they could "win" was fairly disgusting. Not as disgusting as the guys who came out to provide "support" for actual rapists telling their stories on Reddit (because: Reddit), but that's a pretty high bar.

The PA guys very clearly should have just given a mealy mouthed apology and moved the fuck on. By fanning the pseudo-controversy to sell merch they ended up with some very creepy people on their "side".

-Username17

Oh absolutely they should have just apologized and moved on. As a general rule if anyone anywhere decides you are a rape apologist on the internet, within seconds a legion of actual rape apologists will show up to "defend" you, and the only way to avoid it is to make things end as soon as fucking possible.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:46 pm

Whatever wrote:It's one of those "not porn" webcomics that has a lot of offscreen sex and nudity, because 13 year old boys will keep reading anything if there's a chance that maybe they'll get to see a nipple (they won't).

Well, except nipples are the one thing that Ma3 does show...

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:10 pm

I managed to entirely avoid anything but peripheral knowledge of that controversy until today. I particularly like how the only reason the "look at me, I'm edgy! Women deserve it!" rape apologists are an actual thing is because they can successfully ridicule bullshit like this as a strawman on the actual issue, and I also like that the only reason bullshit like this happens is because any mention of the word rape in an inappropriately not-grim-and-serious context is automatically rape apologetics to an incredibly stupid minority. It's just two extremes feeding off eachother and tricking careless bystanders to take sides in two equally (okay, I take that back. I suppose if you put "falsely acccuses people of encouraging rape" next to "actively encourages people to commit rape," one does come out significantly worse) shitty camps until all rational discussion is impossible. Awesome.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:20 am

Whatever wrote:It's one of those "not porn" webcomics that has a lot of offscreen sex and nudity, because 13 year old boys will keep reading anything if there's a chance that maybe they'll get to see a nipple (they won't).

I recall the "message that crops up when you hover the cursor over the comic" (most webcomics have these, unless they simply put it as an actual message in the image like S*P) on one webcomic had "I hope that when people read strips like this they think 'yes, are we finally going to see some tits soon?'" That was amusing.

erik · Post by **erik** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:49 am

Man, I know it's beating a long dead horse, but damn I would love to get paid 1 and a quarter million dollars to do 3 stick figure comics over the course of 6 weeks. But at least kick-starter rewards are being produced rite?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/599092525/the-order-of-the-stick-reprint-drive/posts wrote:I've been having trouble juggling the digital work with the regular comic (resulting in neither one getting done)

More power to him I guess.

Screw making an RPG and figuring out how to market and publish it, you have better chances with a webcomic.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:40 pm

Actually, most of the physical rewards are shipped out, I think. Or at least the lower level stuff is. I got my package (magnet, colouring book, 8x11 print, stickers, HP pad) in mid may.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:33 am

A question for those who have seen The Dark Knight Rises:

So, Bane takes over Gotham and leaves the bomb there specifically to detonate in five months. Later, Talia pops in and reiterates the same thing, with her whole "slow knife" thing.

What what the point of the whole Bourgeois, thing? Why did he set up that revolution "for the people" if he knew it was all going to abruptly end in five months? Why not just nuke Gotham outright, instead?

The only thing I can see (and this is a guess. Maybe I missed this part) is that they couldn't just detonate the nuke right then and there; that they had to let it degrade and detonate itself. Is that it?

Edit: No, that's not it, either. Talia had the remote to detonate earlier if anyone left. So what the crap? Did they just stage the revolution to fuck with them for five months?

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:40 am

Because the whole point was that Bruce Wayne was supposed to be helpless in his cell, slowly watching the city tearing itself apart while being able to see freedom but not reach it. Bane wanted the death of Gotham to be slow in order to properly torture Batman's soul.

Ted the Flayer · Post by **Ted the Flayer** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:30 am

It is good for Gotham that Bane never read the Evil Overlord list, because Gotham would be a fucking crater...

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:19 am

DKR:

It's not just breaking Bruce Wayne. Though it is that too. It's that they wanted to break the world/US in a specific way, because they are the League of Shadows and they have bigger plans than nuking one city.

The whole thing where they make the government lock everyone in and shit, only to nuke it all anyway is precisely the point. They want to break the world in a specific way that is a symbol that progresses their other goals.

So the whole "of the people" shtick is as important as nuking everything, because otherwise it would have a completely different effect, because everyone would just turn it into 9/11 Two: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut.

EDIT: Also, when it goes off, they probably blame it on the government sending in a strike team or something anyway.

Neeeek · Post by **Neeeek** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:45 am

Ted the Flayer wrote:

It is good for Gotham that Bane never read the Evil Overlord list, because Gotham would be a fucking crater...

Not necessarily. I assume you are referring to the "countdown ends at 1:53" thing. The good guys calculated the degradation period for themselves, there wasn't really a way to fake the duration of the countdown.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:14 pm

Those two make sense. Thanks.

Now, I totally want to watch it a second time to catch all the crap I missed the first time around.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:24 am

My players fucking depress me. I've gotten the feeling, recently, that they don't give a shit about any world specific thing unless it gives a mechanical benefit. I've been working on a zodiac for my world, and mentioned it a few times, but they have shown no interest what so ever, until I mentioned that there could be a mechanical benefit.

So, there's that, I suppose. I can get them to at least look at the fluff by hiding mechanical incentives in it, get them to flesh things out by offering bonuses for doing so. I don't want to encourage this kind of bland power gaming mindset*, but I have no clue how the hell I'd discourage the "IDGAF, just hand me more bonuses" mindset.

Fuck, I'm tempted to scrap the world and just run the flavourless, purely mechanical game they apparently want.

angelfromanotherpin · Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:50 am

I think you might be being a bit of a touchy creator. I mean, is there any reason for them to engage with your zodiac otherwise? Are its symbols important in society? Is there anyone of interest they can influence by referencing it? Are there conspiracies who base their passwords on it?

If the zodiac is just a lot of local color without any actual stature, then they're completely justified in not spending any think-power on it. Zodiacs are long and not very inherently interesting.